This content was originally posted by: PetrouskaThis does not have anything to with religion or society, it's just a personal opinion. I find being homosexual repulsive, to put it mildly. People may say I'm being narrow minded, being hypocritic, bigiotic and a lot of other things. But there it is- it's my opinion!
This content was originally posted by: return_to_hades
I think in the end human sexuality is not black and white as we traditionally believe. We just can't put humans in boxes with labels and arrange them. Even gay, straight or bi does not fit always. Theres so many shades of gray, so many things that don't fit the norms or definitions or explanations.I think that sums it up nicely 😆
Why does it disgust me? Wish I knew😕 It's just that the whole concept of men and men and women and women having sex is -well, I don't know how to put it- disgusting😕 Ofcourse, it's my opinion entirely. Suppose you don't like the color white, just suppose. How would you explain why you don't like it😆 Petrouska is indeed Russian😆 I came across the word in one of my novels- Samsara.This content was originally posted by: return_to_hades
Thats just being human. We all as people have aversion, fear or disgust about things that are different, don't understand or don't get. Narrow minded, hypocrisy is only when you use your personal opinions to promote hatred and discrimination. As long as a personal opinion does not manifest into hatred or discrimination in real life - everyone has the right to their opinion. I even support religious rights to preach their perceptions on homosexuality.
Two things out of curiosity
- Why exactly does it disgust you?
- Petrouska is very Russki, how did you come about that ID?
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateOk, Beyond_the_Veil, to save space, I am not quoting you.
This content was originally posted by: 1
My initial response means what it says - as long as I, my kids or any other married or unmarried heterosexual does not have to adhere to new standards, I am ok with gays calling their union anything.
This content was originally posted by: 2And who said it would affect the traditional marriages? Not me.
[/quote]If you feel same sex marriage has the potential to affect traditional definition of marriage, then it is logically deduced that you are implying it could (and hence there is a statistical probability that it would, sooner or later) affect traditional definition of marriage. And then you go ahead and say you haven't said it would affect traditional marriages. For more information, check the first paragraph of my post here.So could you clarify your stance?
This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
...which is in stark contrast to what you have stated later:If you feel same sex marriage has the potential to affect traditional definition of marriage, then it is logically deduced that you are implying it could (and hence there is a statistical probability that it would, sooner or later) affect traditional definition of marriage. And then you go ahead and say you haven't said it would affect traditional marriages. For more information, check the first paragraph of my post here.So could you clarify your stance?Right now, I do not feel either way. I am not sure whether or not gay marriages will affect traditional marriages (existing or otherwise). I would say it is because the gay community has not provided me with enough data so I can feel warm and fuzzy.This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
Are you trying to say why they want to get married and take a concept that was not meant for them?No, I am trying to ask why do they want to adhere to the traditional standards? What is in it for them? Is it because this "standard" has been widely recognized by the society and it has lots of advantages? Why are they not coming up with their own "marriage"? Too much work?This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
Because there are more than one purpose of getting married. Hence there are purposes of getting married, and procreation is one of them (and the most or second most crucial one at that too).Ok - let's agree to disagree on this one. The fact still remains that gays cannot have kids without external intervention.
This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_VeilYes.
Well that is not a very strong reason, is it? Do you have a reason why the definition should be modified?This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
I am on two minds when it comes down to polyamory. I will say that I have not seen very strong arguments or statistical records to show that these relationships can sustain properly. However, I am very open to the concept if anyone is willing to elaborate on its needs and place in society.Speechless.
This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_VeilBecause a civil union isn't exactly the same as a marriage.
Well if a civil union does not have the same benefits as a traditional marriage, then that is the problem with civil union. I am all for fixing them. Why change the traditional marriage?This content was originally posted by: Beyond_the_VeilGovernment should ...
Government has no business in anyone's marriage.
The judiciary still implements a legal definition of marriage right? That definition is based on government policy and judicial activism. Do you propose that marriage as a legal institution recognized by courts be totally dissolved? People can still traditionally marry. The law just won't recognize marriage.
This content was originally posted by: return_to_hades
The judiciary still implements a legal definition of marriage right? That definition is based on government policy and judicial activism. Do you propose that marriage as a legal institution recognized by courts be totally dissolved? People can still traditionally marry. The law just won't recognize marriage.
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimate
I should have clarified. Government's role need not expand than what it is. It has been set for the legal recognition etc. and that's it. It must not step in and say "hey guys, scrap that old one man one woman crap.. here is the new definition that we have come up with for you guys. You'all need to sign new certificates to have your marriages compliant with this new version".
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateRight now, I do not feel either way. I am not sure whether or not gay marriages will affect traditional marriages (existing or otherwise).
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateI would say it is because the gay community has not provided me with enough data so I can feel warm and fuzzy.
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateNo, I am trying to ask why do they want to adhere to the traditional standards? What is in it for them?
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateIs it because this "standard" has been widely recognized by the society and it has lots of advantages?
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateWhy are they not coming up with their own "marriage"? Too much work?
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateOk - let's agree to disagree on this one.
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateThe fact still remains that gays cannot have kids without external intervention.
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateSpeechless.
This content was originally posted by: TheUltimateGovernment has no business in anyone's marriage.
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