- Whether the Buddha mentioned in SB and Gautama Buddha are one and the same.
- If so, how did the principles which Gautama preached differ so radically from the tenets of Hinduism.
Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunathYou are right that Lord Vishnu is not one-dimensional and that the manner he taught people was different as per the society he came into, but I also don't think his ultimate message would have changed drastically in another avatar. When he killed Ravan as Shri Ram and taught people that one must not misuse the power they get through a yagna, why would he dismiss yagnas altogether in another avatar?Totally agree.Yagnas are extremely important to Hinduism because they bear fruit not just for the doer, but also the entire society. Not only are the devas pleased by yagnas, but also Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh.Yes. Correct. But Yagna done with pride and show off - Tamas Yagna is still condemned and many and most yagnas of today are done that way and they don't help the cause of Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh. God's message can be (just the enlargement or enhancement of Adhyay 2 verses around 40) just to transfer the weight of behaviour from egoistic behaviour to simple pure behaviour. As if God saying - No point in worshiping idols or performing yagnas when you are not able to feed the poor and help needy or you are not feeling mercy for them. Leave this MITHYACHAR. You don't eat the remainder of yagya left after feeding all. You eat sin. You only invite specific relatives to your Yagna. You don't invite public in general whosoever wants to come and eat the Prasad. Your entry is selective and your own imposed criteria and not the free will of the person who wants to attend. You don't attend the entire locality around or entire village to give them food for free (like Bhandara). I think such Tamas yagnas (majority of today) are not the message of Vedas or Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh so nothing wrong in even discouraging them. Three types of Yagnas - Satvik, Rajasik, Taamasik - are given in Adhyay 17 of Geeta.To tell the truth, it's very difficult to say blatantly whether Buddha was Vishnu avatar or not, because there may be a lot of things we do not know about him. However, if Buddha did advocate against idol worship, yagnas, and rituals, then I cannot accept him as an avatar of Vishnu because while Vishnu did support all modes of worship in the Bhagawad Gita, he never supported a person following one form of worship while condeming another. It's very true that people connect to God different. Some can feel the essence of God only by doing pujas and yagnas, while others can feel the essence of God simply by hearing his name and stories. Neither mode of worship is wrong, but to condemn one form while advocating the other is not God's message, and if Buddha preached that the rituals of Hinduism are wrong, then he cannot be an avatar of Vishnu.Correct. I totally agree with your view here. But then again as in my previous paragraph, it is important what was the intention (and level of disappointment or psychology of Buddha was behind discouraging certain behavioural practices) behind doing it whether you want to discourage Yagnas or false show off of yagna. Whether you want to discourage all kinds of yagnas or only those which are non-genuine.However, the Buddha mentioned in Bhagawatham may be different from the Gautama Buddha we know today, or even yet, the one mentioned in Bhagawatham may be the same but Buddha's message may have been distorted by people through the age. Even Buddha happened a long time ago, so we cannot exactly know what he did say or not, because his story was not written down as clearly as Vishnu's other avatars, and moreover, a whole new religion was created based upon his teachings. I do not know whether he himself created Buddhism or his followers created it because they wanted to break away from Hinduism, but if Buddha was indeed an avatar of Lord Vishnu, then his message should be more or less similar to the message his other avatars preached, though obviously also having differences since the society of Kali Yug is also different from Dwapar or Treta Yugs.I agree with everything yet again.
Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath
This is true, but I'd also like to make a point that terrorists can be comparable to Ravan and Kans. In fact, I'd hold Ravan in a higher light than the terrorists because while he did do sins, he was also learned in Vedas and did lots of penance. Kans on the other hand has nothing good to say about himself so he's very much comparable to the terrorists of today.To deal with such terrorists, someone like Rama or Krishna is necessary for our society, but I guess that's where Kalki avatar comes in since during Buddha's times, there probably weren't any terrorists, right?
Originally posted by: varaaliAs I understand, there are two points under discussion:
As I mentioned in my previous post, it is mentioned in SB, that Buddha, the 21st avatar of Lord Vishnu would manifest Himself in the first half of Kali Yuga as the son of Anjana Devi and would be born in the region of Gaya.
- Whether the Buddha mentioned in SB and Gautama Buddha are one and the same.
- If so, how did the principles which Gautama preached differ so radically from the tenets of Hinduism.
Now the Gautama Buddha that we are familiar with was born to Maya devi in Nepal, but his enlightenment took place in Bodh Gaya. That can be said to be his second birth. So one fact in SB is corroborated.Now to the second point- If Buddha's overly pacifist teachings went against the grain of Hinduism, how can he be accepted as a legitimate avatar of Vishnu?The answer to this also lies in SB itself which says that in the Buddha avatar which Vishnu will take he will talk and lecture (a lot ) - not on religion- but on social and moral principles. So, the SB itself says that in His avatar as Buddha, he will not preach religious doctrines. To that extent, we need not wonder why Buddha did not encourage religious rituals.Moreover, one more key point emerges in SB here. It says that Buddha will take avatar when scientific knowledge advances to such levels as launching invisible rockets in outer space with a view of whole scale destruction. Then Buddha will try to 'divert' (mati vimoham) their minds by preaching non violence. Obviously, such level of technology did not exist during Gautama Buddha's time- but it could also have been Vyasa's poetic hyperbole.Perhaps the most systematic post of the thread and summary of recent contents of the thread. Possibly Vyas considered broadly the happenings of Kaliyug spread over many many years (and 2000 are many years but for him while creating SB, out of total years of Kaliyug, they were nothing). So looking from that point, Buddha's arrival and atom bomb produced have not much time interval in between. Buddha could have foreseen the near future (coming future of next 20-25 centuries) and could have preached the society to be away from those forthcoming course of events.
Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath^^ That sounds valid Varaali, but I still have one small doubt. Did Buddha actually preach against religious practices or did he just not talk about them? Because if it's the latter, that's totally acceptable and may have been necessary for those times.
Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunathAnd did Vyasa mention launching rockets, or was he indicating that in latter Kali Yug that would happen, as well as atomic bombs and all which cause greatr destruction?
Originally posted by: ShivangBuch
Baalak dhruv became tapasvi at child age. Shankara left his family at child age. Vivekanand also left his family at young age. Can you quote the exact verse of Geeta where Krishna specifically tells Arjun not to become Sanyasi even if one is a true sanyasi by mind?
Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Originally posted by: Kal ElI am trying to avoid TDKR spoilers but they just won't leave me alone. Not even in the forum about mythology.
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