Debate : Who is Respnsible? - Page 6

Originally posted by: IndigoBlues

Rape is NOT about sexual attraction. It's about domination. It's an act of bullying, plain and simple. A man doesn't rape you because you have worn shorts, but because you have in some way, threatened his precious little male ego.

Till around 100 years ago, women were never involved in the public domain. They were confined to their houses. Important decisions were made by males and womens simply watched and silently accepted it.

Now women are crossing this 'dehleez' and it infuriates the male ego to no end. You have cases of fathers raping their daughters-a male ego trying to make sure his 'izzat' is not infringed upon by any outsider by marking her as his. You have cases of strangers raping women-these are men who are uncomfortable at the idea of having to share their space with women.

Men rape because they're actually scared of women. All bullies are cowards, and same applies to rapists. We're a country of 1 billion people, and space is a major issue. There is competition in almost everything. The males were fine as long as they were competing with each other, but now that women are there in the rat race too, they're feeling victimized. They are realizing that women stand to usurp the economic and political power that they were denied to far.

And please, all you so called 'good' men, we'll know you're good when you give your mothers and sisters the same respect you give to your fathers and brothers, and when you stop thinking it's 'a man's duty to protect a woman'. How about 'It's a human being's duty to protect another human being, regardless of their gender?'

Dont know if i can agree more with u...100% true...i just dont know that how can you link sex and rape...i agree to every word with you...and i feel more screwed when i read a woman's statement that shorts provoked rape...just cant agree more...BINGO...

I'm honestly tired of this whole blame game now.

The middle class blames the politicians. The politicians blame the police. The police blame the middle class. It's a vicious circle, and yes, it has exposed the sexism and patriarchy present in our country.

But c'mon. It's not like we never knew. I don't know why people are so 'shocked' when they hear MP's and godmen making foot-in-the-mouth comments. We are the ones who vote for them(or rather don't vote) and go to their meetings. Why are we absolving ourselves of any association to them?

There are people who are demanding that the culprits should be tortured like the victim was. There are people who are saying the police force should be suspended.

Tell me something, is giving the culprits a horrible punishment going to serve any purpose apart from turning us into a bunch of barbarians? And how can you blame the police force for being apathetic when they're so under-staffed and under-paid? Isn't it our fault for being too obsessed with engineering and medicine to notice that our country needs us for its security too?

The self-righteousness-both in the comments of the middle class and the political class-it drives me crazy. Everybody is eager to say 'Oh but I didn't do it, the big bad wolves in Lok Sabha did', like it'a stupid kindergarten fight.

Admit that the society as a whole is responsible. Society includes everyone-politicians, police, 'aam aadmi', the slum dwellers, every possible culprit you can think of. A society that is comfortable with ignoring poverty, illiteracy and patriarchy until some poor girl gets her intestines ripped out.

And please, do something constructive. Don't just hold candles or throw stones. Educate your children. Teach them the difference between 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. Don't be shy to discuss sex. Don't pass judgements on people who according to you are 'Westernized'. Talk to your mom the same way you talk to your dad. Speak up against male influence in the family. Speak up if you see a friend or a female relative being mistreated. Don't romanticize rape by saying 'Oh, but agression is just another word for passion!' next time you see violence against a woman on a TV screen.

 

Sign petitions. Do whatever, but just stop this blame game.

i think its the view of men tht has to be changed ..like whn a girl walk thru pathway they start commenting on her...to an extent this teasing and commenting is berable ..i thnk the views shud be changed ...and for me if women follows certain precautionary steps like safety pins and all they might help her a lott...i live in uae , here we doesnt face any such thngs ,me and my mother alone has traveled at midnight ..but in india its  impossible...here we get a security ..even if boys comment on  me its enjoyable i mean its fnny ..but in inida i thnk its beyond limit

Originally posted by: IndigoBlues

I'm honestly tired of this whole blame game now.

The middle class blames the politicians. The politicians blame the police. The police blame the middle class. It's a vicious circle, and yes, it has exposed the sexism and patriarchy present in our country.

But c'mon. It's not like we never knew. I don't know why people are so 'shocked' when they hear MP's and godmen making foot-in-the-mouth comments. We are the ones who vote for them(or rather don't vote) and go to their meetings. Why are we absolving ourselves of any association to them?

There are people who are demanding that the culprits should be tortured like the victim was. There are people who are saying the police force should be suspended.

Tell me something, is giving the culprits a horrible punishment going to serve any purpose apart from turning us into a bunch of barbarians? And how can you blame the police force for being apathetic when they're so under-staffed and under-paid? Isn't it our fault for being too obsessed with engineering and medicine to notice that our country needs us for its security too?

The self-righteousness-both in the comments of the middle class and the political class-it drives me crazy. Everybody is eager to say 'Oh but I didn't do it, the big bad wolves in Lok Sabha did', like it'a stupid kindergarten fight.

Admit that the society as a whole is responsible. Society includes everyone-politicians, police, 'aam aadmi', the slum dwellers, every possible culprit you can think of. A society that is comfortable with ignoring poverty, illiteracy and patriarchy until some poor girl gets her intestines ripped out.

And please, do something constructive. Don't just hold candles or throw stones. Educate your children. Teach them the difference between 'good touch' and 'bad touch'. Don't be shy to discuss sex. Don't pass judgements on people who according to you are 'Westernized'. Talk to your mom the same way you talk to your dad. Speak up against male influence in the family. Speak up if you see a friend or a female relative being mistreated. Don't romanticize rape by saying 'Oh, but agression is just another word for passion!' next time you see violence against a woman on a TV screen.

 

Sign petitions. Do whatever, but just stop this blame game.

so what should be done????? let them enjoy secured peaceful life??????

Originally posted by: WanderingBeauty

--Reserved--

"A girl does not get raped for her clothes or provocative acts! She gets raped because someone rapes her!"

Originally posted by: --Pooja-

Mindset of the people is of course the main root of the problem but here I see is people blaming men. Let us look to this matter with a different view. Men are of course the culprit but we women/girls are no less. Just think do we respect our gender? NO! We don't. Every other minute we criticize a female. Think of the person you hate most and 90% of you will definitely think of a girl. Many girls do wrong thing, its not right but we behind their back make stories out of it and keep discussing it in open. One may think whats wrong in it but without knowing anything and just by making assumptions we almost spoil the character image of a girl. Is it right? Doing so, things pass on from a girl to boy, from women to men. Now hearing all such imaginary stories what may men think? That girls don't have a character. Its the thing. Just for instance take you have a friend group and so does you brother have one. We girls tend to less loyal and less honest as in compare to boys. We girls aren't loyal! Accept it.In no way am I defending boys. They ARE wrong but we girls are no less.Its about mindset, but not just of men. Its of women too. How? Because women are ready to accept that they are inferior, making men think they are superior. In our everyday we have a evidence. Our mother and we, we tend to obey every small thing we are old too. Right or wrong never matters. We see our mother asking permission from dad for every small thing but ever seen dad taking permission from mother? NO! They don't. WHY? Cause we think, its men job. It is. But women's too. Men are to decide what color curtains we put in home, but are women to decide what color of chair should their husband keep in their office? Yes they have right and they should but they DON'T.But you all mus be think how does this encourage such inhumane activities. Then when all these happen we see it out little brothers see it, our elder brother see it. Our brother from that time onward develop a sense of superiority thinking we women are nothing but just a robot who work on their order. Gradually as they grow up and things don't work out for them they want something that should satisfy them. Finding nothing they either start taking up drugs or look out for a girl for sexual need and pleasure. Here girl does not mean females up to age of 16-25 or somewhere near but it maybe a child of 5 years or a women age somewhat similar to our grandmother. What they die for is sexual pleasure. Same goes with men. Rape is not committed by boys of age 18-28 but as we saw boys of age 13 too and men of age 45, 61 too.So what is it leading to? Contamination. Contamination of human mind.Other factors are of course there but I am not stating them as everyone already did. This was something I didn't saw anywhere so I thought I should put this up.And one more thing, we girls are born with a inborn moral and that is dignity. We are expected that we maintain dignity of our family, of our nation. It doesn't mean we are not allow to wear knee-length dress but there is specific way. Comparing India and US is of no use cause what I believe is US has its own culture and India too has it own. Both countries ought to differ.
One more thing, sensual scenes in movie like kissing, just kissing doesn't provoke one. Kissing never does. What does the way women are shown. Their character, they are shown cheap. Advertisement. Just I was check my post and see it is there. Wont it make men shift their gaze from main content to this? Not men, if any of you too saw wont you shift your gaze? These are what provokes one. I forgot the name but the girl released her nude picture after KKR won. Good enough? NO!
Okay I decided not to post the adv. here maybe I may get banned due to reason but we often find such adv.
P.S. Its just my views.

Originally posted by: tannipartner

 The problem is with our mindset. ours is a hypocrite culture. We fast for 9 days during navratri to worship a goddess and yet can observe dudh pilao when a girl child is born in our family.

The culture that starts by thinking one half of the population is burden, that the womb that brought them here is the root of all evil, can only end in this.

making laws will not help, even implementing them will not. There will always be people who will take advantage of law. There are so many opressed wives and yet so many daughters in law who misuse  section 498A.

What we need is a total overhaul. That unfortunately will only happen when we have reached the end of our decline.

Today, 12th January, is the birthday of the biggest youth icon of India. Swami Vivekananda. I will qoute what he said about women and our mentality 120 yrs back. Its still valid today.

It is very difficult to understand why in this country [India] so much difference is made between men and women, whereas the Vedanta declares that one and the same conscious Self is present in all beings. You always criticize the women, but say what have you done for their uplift? Writing down Smritis etc., and binding them by hard rules, the men have turned the women into manufacturing machines! If you do not raise the women, who are living embodiment of the Divine Mother, don't think that you have any other way to rise.

Originally posted by: BrunoMars

OMG! I let all my hopes on humanity go after this. This was so depressing, after letting, well, trying to let this sink in. I came to the conclusion, that there is no such thing as humanity. Which got me even more depressed and i had to sink in again.

 

The fact that there has to be discussed about this is so sick and shows how low people think, how there are still people around here that get to learn that the woman is less than the man and always at fault.

 

Even if someone wears short clothes or not traditional clothes, whatt sick person comes to the conclusion that she may get raped?

 

Generation

 

You can't blame the people of the generation. Rapes have always been there. Like the pedophile-thing of the church, it is becoming more public now. -Media and stuff-. Rapes have always been there. It is like a cat eating chocolate and assuming every cat does that. It is wrong and it is closing your eyes for the innocent people of this generation.

 

Not taken Seriously

 

I think rape has become some joke nowadays. It is something extremely serious. I really got mad at Kismat Paisa Delhi. It was disguisting. The subject was taking so lightly. PEOPLE, it is RAPE!

 

Mental

 

Raping someone already is enough proof that you are mental. I get it. People get depressed if no one gets to love you and ready to make love to you. But that is no reason to ruin someone's life. Take her life. It is sad. There are so many mentals walking out there... free.

 

The way of thinking.

 

People from so long ago till now and most probably even later will always blame the woman. I still don't get how people come to the conclusion that the girl is at fault. WHAT THE HELL? It is so frustrating. It might sound harsh, but those people should get raped and thrown out of a bus. After they survived I would like to hear their story.

 

So basically there must be done something on the way of thinking. That is the base. Knowledge is the greatest power. It is the light you use to see in the darkness. People should learn to respect eachother and see eahother as equals. Cause we are equel to one anther. Sad that even after having so many inventions, still things go like this. And people can live with themselfs, knowing you did not only ruin a girls life. You ruined a whole family. And not even getting punished right. No, the family has to live with that their whole life long. With those culprits, they are just getting away so easily.

 

 

Originally posted by: KaShSuJen

Impotant topic

According to me I think girl gets raped because of there clothing.And today's western culture people would think its actually cool and hot and all those stuff.I live in Australia and 12 year old girls show there tummy where shorts to short and have boyfriends and stuff.I think its because of there clothing because in Australian news this 13 year old got raped by her crush and she was very popular in her school.And I also think that mens get very dirty and they rape.Well it is a very important topic.Thank you for this topic.

-Sana

Originally posted by: meghasingh

Now this debate has taken somewhere turn where there is really nothing to discuss...indian culture and western culture.
Now those who think that indian culture respected women in the past, this and that...it's nothing but a huge lie. No offense, but I'll give clearcut examples, and that too of reknowned and highly worshiped characters...
In indian mythology the person who is most perfect is Ram...he is the ideal man and sita ideal woman...a king who didn't had enough trust on his wife and he demanded an agnipariksha for her, then left her alone when a woman needs her partner most, in her pregnancy...
Indra, god of gods, a guy who is making out with every woman he like by changing his form, is the one who is assigned as the ruler of heaven.
In vishnu lakshmi, lakshmi is always sitting and massaging vishnu's legs and feet, while he's lying comfortably.
Such are the ideals of the great Indian Culture...look it's hard to criticize yourself, but that's the way you can change things.

Another point on western culture and short clothes...come on... it's just ignorance, lack of facts, and presumptions. The truth is that we used to wear much shorter clothes than them...imagine a saree without a blouse and petticoat...that's the original saree okay...blouse and petticoat were part of western dresses. Got to some tribal place and then you will see what is the original saree, and then u will see how much exposure is there.