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Exploitation of employee or blackmail of employer? (Khobragade case) - Page 43

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Posted: 10 years ago

I think their analysis is incorrect. The department of labor laws apply to anyone working in the United States including illegal immigrants. The only exceptions are tipped, commissioned and others specifically listed.

 

It isn't just with India, cost of living adjustments for foreign labor is an issue being debated across the world. This was a high profile case between India and USA, otherwise every year there are hundreds of cases in USA, UK, Australia etc. where diplomats or foreign businesses have been charged with minimum wage violations. The laws have to exist. Without such minimum wage protections, it becomes easy to exploit laborers from low income nations.

 

That being said the minimum wage dispute is a distinct and separate case. Devyani's specific crime was fraud. She lied and misrepresented on the visa paperwork. Even if she was not bound by minimum wage, it doesn't absolve her of falsifying wage information her maids visa application.

 

USA may have not handled the situation correctly. I understand the accusations of poor diplomacy, unfairly stringent laws. However, none of the accusations against USA change the fact that Devyani committed a crime. I don't think Devyani should be defended as innocent. Of all people a diplomat should know better than to falsify facts on a visa application.

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Posted: 10 years ago
Some  American diplomats did worse crimes than the alleged visa fraud or  the exploitation of domestic help that went much beyond  less wages. Flouting laws of other countries could be more common than believed by US. Their own citizens aren't averse to committing fraud.
 
 
BTW - Nancy powel tendered her resignation.
Posted: 10 years ago
^^Add to that the fact that thousands of immigrants are hired at wages way below the minimum by US Corporations.
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Posted: 10 years ago

US diplomats commit crimes including visa fraud.

US companies and citizens violate minimum wage laws.

 

None of that changes the fact that Khobragade committed the crime of visa fraud. None of that proves that Khobragade is innocent.

 

My stance is simple. All diplomats are legally bound to follow the laws of the nation they reside in with good faith. All nations have the right to try diplomats for crimes within their jurisdiction within the bounds of the Geneva convention. All nations have the right to defend their diplomats accused of crimes abroad. What finally plays out will always depend on the bargaining chips on the table.

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Posted: 10 years ago
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/us-cop-s-arrest-seen-as-india-s-revenge-for-devyani-khobragade_922409.html
Indian media is so foolish and honest. It doesn't know how to take a moral high ground and propound Responsibilty to protect doctrine 😉
The headline should have read- India follows its own due process to nab a US criminal 😆 All hail the Arms' act.👏


It is not at all surprising that the bullets were overlooked on US airport because the gun lobby wouldn't be too pleased otherwise 😳

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Posted: 10 years ago

There's little bit mistake on everyone's part.

Devyani - for indulging in fraud. Brought shame to the Indian Government. It was because of her foolish irresponsible behaviour that there was/is this unfortunate standoff between in the Indian and US govt, whose relations were already strained.
US govt. authorities - for showing their high-handedness by interpreting the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations as it wishes. It's claims that it had followed a "non-discriminatory post arrest legal procedures".. not so needed.
Indian Govt. - for over-reacting and childishly retaliating by removing the required security barricades at US Embassy in the capital, and demanding apologies from US govt, salary details of domestic helps of the US consulates(in India) etc... very immature, so strange actually.
 
Anyways, nothing can be said about POLITICAL or DIPLOMATIC relations. It's nothing as we see... much goes on behind this shroud of "outrages", "standoffs".
 
One thing I can understand for sure is that Devyani Khobragade and her family back in India are very influential.
 
 
EDIT : I am also sure that Devyani is being reproached secretly by the Indian govt. although it is putting on a defensive mask on an international platform.
Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 10 years ago