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Malaysian Airlines- Mystery of missing plane? Another air tragedy pg5

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Posted: 10 years ago
Is it possible a flight with 239 people suddenly disappears from sky? Airlines not ready to accept the crash. Plane cant fly more than 3 days.

One of the reputed airline. Plane is not flying nor on earth. What r other possibilities?

And is it safe to trust that airlines?Edited by White-Rose - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago
If it crashed at the sea it is possible that it lies submerged intact on the sea bed which could be too deep for the rescuers to detect anything.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Malaysia is becoming the laughing stock of the whole world! First five passengers checked luggage reported and now the police chief deny that. And now they comes another contradiction on plane direction!...Can the Malaysian government make up their freakin minds and actually provide some real help by letting real professionals figure out what happened?😕
Posted: 10 years ago
Are they trying to hide something?
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MH370 - what happened...

Summary: It's plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based -  GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion. 
slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded. 
Chain of events:
  • Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems. 
  • Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.
If the decompression was slow enough, it's possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS. 
Other thoughts:
  • The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it's not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know). 
  • This explains why 19 families signed a statement  alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.
  • When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.
Note:  777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.
Conclusion:
This was likely not an "explosive decompression" or "inflight disintegration." This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.
The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone.  [UPDATE: Basically, it could be "anywhere", and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. It could have turned in any direction and continued on for hours. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.]
Recommendations:
Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft.
Investigators should obtain all passengers' cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) datamay be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google. 
 Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm+ radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH's 777-200ER full flight simulator.  
 Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space. 

Edited by Vinzy - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Lets summarize possibilites. Basically it was there on radar and then it was gone.
 
1- Blown up - terrorism
2- Blown up - mechanical
 
where is the debri?
 
3- Failed and crashed into the sea then and there
4- Failed and went west and then crashed
 
where is the distress signal?
 
5- Hijacked
 
where is the contact, demand
 
6- It was shot down by military thinking it was intrusion
 
why hiding
 
7- One person in a newspaper suggested it might have gone up instead of going into sea
 
Right now I am going with option 3/4
 
Edit: I know the country and it is well developed and modern and advance. They are dealing it well by involving others. They had almost perfect record in aviation. This news was tragic but more so because I know the country and people. I am very confident they will sort it out in good way.
Edited by King-Anu - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Originally posted by: King-Anu

1- Blown up - terrorism

2- Blown up - mechanical
 
where is the debri?
 
3- Failed and crashed into the sea then and there
4- Failed and went west and then crashed



Debris can be easily lost at sea and not detectable.

 

Planes can disintegrate or crash suddenly without time for distress signal. Slow decompression due to a small leak can cause the crew to go unconscious and unable to send distress signal.

 

For some reason the plan suddenly crashed at sea (either disintegrated or intact) and the debris is lost at sea (either disintegrated or intact).

 

People should stop fussing and freaking about flying. Plane crashes make the headlines but are a rare occurrence considering the volume of flights. This is even a rarest of the rare. You are several times more likely to die in a road accident.

 

I wouldn't point fingers at Malaysia. I'm sure even FAA would screw up a few times before getting their story straight. After all, it indeed is rocket science (albeit a lesser form).



Edited by return_to_hades - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
@Hades - They have combed the entire sea where it is said the plane was last detected. The black box once in the ocean is known to send the signals. with so much combing , considering the sea is not that shallow or large no such signal is detected from Black box nor from the other sensors. 
Even if the plane went straight into sea as intact body it is equipped with failure sending signals which would have informed the air control of any trouble like in case of the case around Athens. 

In case of sudden explosion and structural failure ( very very rare)  , there would be enough debris floating around . 

The current notion that it might have detoured towards Arabian Sea is very very strange  considering the area sensitivity no military radar detecting is just weird. To make such a fly path , the airline must have dodged so many air control rooms.

what is frustrating is the inefficient handling of Malay govt, they are creating so much confusion .


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There are some astonishing things you're not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.
While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn't telling you the whole story, either. So I've assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

 

Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself " an object designed to survive powerful explosions " has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

 

Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because " as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore " "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

 

Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" " which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

 

Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed " three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

 

Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.


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