If you have RAPED someone, do you deserve a second CHANCE?! - Page 6

Posted: 10 years ago
Originally posted by maha2us


Nala has told the truth. A rape victim wouldn't forgive the rapist or tell he deserves a second chance.
We have to accept a rape victim will be sensitive about the sufferings of rape victims and so would not forgive the rapists. 

You say it like it's a bad thing - if dead bodies could talk, I have a strong feeling murder victims would feel the same way about their murderer. Why would you even expect or want a rape victim to forgive her rapist? Victims are not being "sensitive" about their suffering - they are entitled to demand justice for the agony and suffering they have been put through. All those responsible should be punished, that is the whole point of the justice system. 

What about those persons who are suffering because false cases are filed on them by their wives? Those persons include myself or Rukma Chari and we both will be sensitive to the problems faced by males. We can't look with respect persons including Kiran Bedi making anti male remarks in the public.

How do you know which statistics are true and which are false and what is the ground reality? In every case, there are many confusing statistics. After all we are not against punishment to a rapist or punishment to a person who is really an offender. But we genuinely have concern over the way the law works. We accept they have made new laws, because the old laws did not help the females who are raped or harassed as wives. But the new laws are easily misused unfortunately and we have statistics to show that most of the women come with false rape cases and most of the women come up with false cases against their husbands. 

Care to please share those statistics? And when you do, please do elaborate how we should believe those stats over others since you claimed earlier that there is no way to determine which stats are true and which are false. Your claim that "most women file false rape cases" is sickening, especially when you refer to the Indian Subcontinent where most rape cases go unreported and rapists are rarely ever brought to justice. And when victims do attempt to report the crimes committed against them, they are humiliated and mistreated by the police. Once all those women and little girls are brought to justice and their rapists are rotting in jail for the rest of their lives, we can talk about the few who have been wrongfully accused. 

In any case, I thought marital rape wasn't even a criminal offense in India. When victims are forced to suffer silently because they are married to their rapists, where does the problem of women filing false cases against their husbands stem from? 

Will this situation help women? Unfortunately 'No'. This is something true feminists themselves accept. The old laws would definitely have helped women if only the judiciary were more efficient. But the judiciary is very lazy. The new laws are painful because they believe every woman is good and every male is a potential rapist or a wife-beater. True feminists are not happy with the laws behaving this way. If someday when everyone starts believing women put up false rape cases or false cases against husbands. the court could at times overlook the concern of a woman who has genuine concern. How will she get redressal for her grievances?

Look up the definition of feminism. You sound ridiculous here - on a subcontinent that is known for the violence against women whether it's acid throwing, bride burning, honor killings, sexual violence, domestic violence, human trafficking etc etc etc - you've got some audacity there to demand to be going back to "old laws" to help women. What are these old laws? Please elaborate - do they involve turning a blind eye and allowing women to suffer through all this silently?

The only way women could be helped is showing them their innate powers and how they can use their powers. the laws can help them only if the judiciary works efficiently.   

Women don't need you to show them what their "innate powers" are, they already know - it's the same powers bestowed upon men. The only purpose of a criminal justice system is to bring justice to those who have been wronged, regardless of their gender. That's it. 

Posted: 9 years ago
Miss Woh Ajnabee,
You can look into this link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Over-35-rape-cases-filed-in-2013-found-fake/articleshow/34068722.cms

Why is it said in the newspaper  'The police every year find a majority of rape cases false and file final report (FR) in them.'

Posted: 9 years ago

There is no doubt that some rape cases reported are false. That does not mean that existing rape laws should be scrapped. The subcontinent still faces many challenges in relations to female empowerment and the cases of rape, sexual harassment and molestation are still grossly underreported.

 

This article merely says 35% of rape cases are false. However, it doesn't give any further insight into what defines rape and when a rape case is determined as false. In my personal opinion rape is still poorly defined in India. Police are more interested in dismissing a case rather than investigating with impartiality. Consent only matters for women who fit traditional norms. Women who drink, smoke, stay out late, have many male friends, wear revealing attire or are sexually active are perceived the be "asking for it".  These women have a harder time reporting rape because it is falsely assumed their behavior is an invitation for men to have sex with her. It isn't rape because she wanted it and has now changed her mind.

 

I think most people will agree that in India, a Steubenville would be dismissed as a false report and not rape. The girl was drinking, partying, making out with boys, hence she had loose morals and was inviting boys to take advantage of her. These were boys from decent backgrounds, with a promising future, they just made a mistake, they should not be punished for the girl's loose morals and indiscretions. Oh it doesn't fit the definition of rape, there was no genital penetration. Even in USA some people had these views.  But in USA they boys were charged and convicted of rape. In India, the girl would be lucky if a rape report was even filed.

 

With the deck still heavily stacked against women and the stigma against rape, I find it amusing that men make a hue and cry about a false case. What about all the unreported ones? What about all the ones not taken seriously? What about the decades this has been going on?

Posted: 9 years ago
@ Mr Maha2US ---How did 35% mean most of the women ? Shouldnt it mean that 65 % atleast  were  true cases?  Cases not convicted could be due to several reasons such as intimidation, social discrimination, psychological trauma, long duration and expenses of legal battle ----
Posted: 9 years ago
Return-to-hades, I have seen the marked difference between how the police in USA behaves with citizens and how police in India behaves with citizens. I do admire the behavior of police in USA.  In USA, police tries to understand the person instead of just trying to 'vomit' power on a person which is what happens in India. And in USA, there is a reasonable amount of impartiality also.
Now coming to your questions. you say,   'With the deck still heavily stacked against women and the stigma against rape, I find it amusing that men make a hue and cry about a false case.' The way the deck is heavily stacked against women is not something, a normal law abiding male can control. And males are not machines who could accept false rape accusation. How is a male supposed to feel if a man is really respecting women and never intends any harm to a woman, but all on a sudden some woman for no reason at all, puts a (false) rape case against him? It is possible, he could also be stigmatized by the society. And it is possible his own neighbors could ridicule him. How does it help women who had really been raped? A definite truth is many true rape cases are unreported, but most of the cases reported are false which are being reported by greedy women. if this situation definitely helps empowerment of women, one could accept that. I don't believe, a law which encourages women to file false cases will empower women who are genuinely in need of help.


   
Posted: 9 years ago
Mr:Zorro. Read the article carefully. One point one has to conclude from the article is only around 35-40% of the cases had been investigated by the police and among them most are found to be false. If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false. 
You are giving all sorts of other reasons why the cases are being dismissed. When things become more and more clear, truths will come. All I hope is let the truths prevail. While the true rapists are to be punished, those who file false cases also are to be severely punished. That is all I look for from the justice system in India. 
Posted: 9 years ago
Originally posted by maha2us


Mr:Zorro. Read the article carefully. One point one has to conclude from the article is only around 35-40% of the cases had been investigated by the police and among them most are found to be false. If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false. 
You are giving all sorts of other reasons why the cases are being dismissed. When things become more and more clear, truths will come. All I hope is let the truths prevail. While the true rapists are to be punished, those who file false cases also are to be severely punished. That is all I look for from the justice system in India. 

This is a very one-sided opinion and analysis. 

@Bold - reeks of personal interpretations of data. 

If we are looking at statistics , According to NCRB's(National Crime Research Bureau) own published data - in 2012, There were 24,915 victims (proven) of rape out of 24,923 reported rape cases in the country during the year 2012. 

Again quoting NCRB , in India only 21% of the total molestation cases were reported in year 2013  out of which only 5 % were tried in courts owing to a large percentage withdrawing the case under external influences. 

Out of 706 cases of rape reported , only 1 was convicted - according to PTI and NCRB figures, the reason mentioned were shabby policy investigation, prejudices on the part of the judges creep in, especially when the rape victim and the accused are known to each other, or when there is an absence of injuries or in cases of date rapes.  Also the dated definition of rape usually tilts the verdict in the favor of the convict.But the biggest reason found is the social causes which makes the victim withdraw the cases fearing the court proceedings and the backlash. Now when the conviction or court trail percentage for crime against women is so low, where do tough laws or punishment get the blame.

In 2013, SC criticized Police and Indian law makers for low conviction percentage in India. Official data shows 11,154 rape cases ended in acquittal or discharge during 2012, while only 3,563 cases resulted in a conviction.
Another 86,032 cases were awaiting trial at the end of last year, according to the data from the NCRB. In it's critique , most of  these cases are branded as false convictions when in reality the blame lies with police investigation and the loop-holes in the law itself for letting the convict escape through. 

If you are, as you mention gunning for the truth, then let the matters be heard from both sides in Court. A guilty person would be handed over the severest punishment . How does having a tough punishment affect a supposedly innocent person, surely he would be acquitted and looking at the low conviction rate, the case would be dismissed at the FIR stage.

Strangely, the large number of false convictions are in murder and robbery cases, they form the largest under-trial population of India , yet that doesn't mean the punishment for the crimes should be done away with . 

Your numbers or what I quoted all indicate that such matters need excellent police investigation and be dealt in a swift manner, the tone of punishment has no bearing here.

I am just too perturbed that you are worried about the tough laws rather than large number of cases awaiting trial, shouldn't that be a priority for everyone. Get them solved quickly and save the lives of the innocent one and perhaps in the due process stop the humiliation of the victim too? If the intent is to be understood here, then fast-track trials, conclusive police investigation is what that is going to aid you the most. 

@Blue - The wrongly implicated individuals can file defamation cases , all provided by the Indian Law, this serves for every law being misused out there- including rape, murder, corporate affairs. If your worry is this , then toughening the rape laws won't help this endeavour in any way. 


Edited by charminggenie - 9 years ago
Posted: 9 years ago
Originally posted by maha2us


If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false. 
 
How many astrologers do we have on this forum 😲
There were quite a few on that other thread on Modi predicting aabki baar modi sarkaar & now here too!!!
 
Can anyone predict my grades please 😔
Posted: 9 years ago
In a country where little girls as young as 3 are not safe and where many rape cases go unreported because of the fear of social neglect,it is a shame that there are people out there who think most of them are fake..What do they think, women earn a reputation by bragging around that they've been raped?Just pure lack of common sense .That's it. Edited by Nala - 9 years ago
Posted: 9 years ago
Common sense goes for a toss when people see things through prejudiced blinkered glasses 😎

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