Doubts & Discussions about HP book Series - Page 9

Originally posted by: QuietlyLoud

@ Akash 

Looks like you still didn't get horcruxes and split souls.

Tom Riddle told Slughhorn that he would like to split his soul into 7 parts (that would be 6 horcruxes) he didn't say he wanted to make 7 horcruxes.So that's pretty clear.

Dumbledore didn't reveal to Harry that he was a horcrux untill the last minute,so in HBP,he just told him there were only 6 horcruxes instead of 7 and corresponding number of split souls.That's all.

Originally posted by: QuietlyLoud

@Akash 

Here's my.take regarding your second doubt.

well Harry didn't have to return from after life 'cause he didn't die in the first place. When Voldemort cursed,only thing the it did destroy was the part of voldemort's soul embedded in Harry's body leaving his own soul and body unscathed .This happened because he used elder wand.When Voldemort used killing curse for the first time in the forest,Harry was not himself. He had a part inside his body that didn't belong to him -Voldemort's soul. Elder wand recognised this and when Voldemort struck,it let the curse hit Harry and just killed the part that didn't belong to his master. When he again used killing curse against  Harry later that night,Elder wand knew it's master was himself so the curse rebounded since it won't hit its master. 

Now destroying horcruxes that are beings is different from inanimate horcruxes.When Nagini was killed both Voldemort's and her own soul and body was destroyed along with it because she didn't have any protection against basilisk venom/sword unlike Harry had with elder wand.Had it not been for Elder wand,Harry too would have killed in the process.From Harry's case I'd assume horcruxes that are beings can be destroyed without harming the body but that is only possible if you have some kind of immunity like Harry had because you can't possibly harm a soul be it his own or somebody else's without harming the body. So Harry's is a special case😉

Originally posted by: Quixotic5

1. Firstly, the elder wand played no part in destruction or resurrection of Voldy's or Harry's soul in this case..it did not show any partiality towards its true master since its curse sent both Harry's & Voldy's soul into afterlife, the difference being Harry's soul was able to return but Voldy's remained stuck there in the form of that hideous creature.. (which i believe was attributed to the difference between Voldy's & Harry's karma & had nothing to do with the elder wand since the elder wand technically killed both of them as both Harry & Voldy were transported to afterlife )  

I think what happened is this: (my interpretation)

The Elder Wand's True Master is Harry. The elder Wand never hurts its True Master...

But who lives inside Harry? A fragment of Voldemort's soul...

So, while it did no damage to Hary, it attacked Voldemort's soul which was still living inside him.. So the Elder Wand had a major role in the destruction of Voldemort!

2. How come "Avada Kadavra" worked against a horcrux ?.. there was no such mention even a remote mention regarding this phenomenon prior to or even after Harry came back from the afterlife..and it is HIGHLY unlikely that Hermoine would have missed such an important detail while studying horcruxes since they were very well aware that Nagini too could be horcrux , so its very much possible that Hermoine could have gone through "being horcruxes" or something of that effect.. no explanation provided in the books, everything left to assumptions

As a continuation of the above answer.. The Elder Wand attacked Voldemort's Soul which is present inside Harry... in effect, it was destroying the essence of Voldemort which was inside Harry. Harry is also a special case, being a living creature inhabited by a soul. More importantly, Harry allowed himself to be killed. And that makes all the difference in the world, as Dumbledore put it in King's Cross.

When Harry, the owner of the horcrux, accepted the destruction of his body, it left no room for the soul to stay. Because, the Killing Curse, in destroying the essence of Voldemort's soul, destroyed its connection with Harry, and once it did that, the soul had no place to go, and it was destroyed.

3. If the death curse can work on "being horcruxes" , why wouldnt it work on "object horcruxes" ?.. as you rightly said, the elder wand only destroyed the part of Voldy's soul inside Harry's body , then the "object horcruxes" too have Voldy's soul inside them which could have been killed or transported to afterlife with the death curse since even the "object horcruxes" were technically beings due to the presence of a soul inside them.. but that wasnt the case since it was specifically mentioned that in order to destroy the soul hidden inside the horcrux, one has to destroy the "horcrux container" & the "death curse" doesnt destroy the container & neither the soul inside the container , it just separates the soul from the body , rendering the body lifeless but keeps the soul & the body intact..so its very very illogical that the death curse be used for destroying a horcrux, whether a being or an object..again, no explanations provided in the books , everything left to assumptions.

Refer the above answer.

4. Most importantly, as per the horcrux logic, the container of horcrux & the part of the soul hidden inside it , have no independent existence unlike "human body & soul" , meaning if the container survives, the part of the soul hidden inside it too survives..so if Harry returned, Voldy's part too should have returned.. yet again, no explanations, everything left to assumptions..

Again refer the 2nd answer...

And the answer lies in your question itself -  the container of horcrux & the part of the soul hidden inside it , have no independent existence unlike "human body & soul".

So when the killing curse destroyed Voldemort's Ansh Ka Sthaan 😛 Viddhimaan inside Harry's shareer, naturally, the Ansh-aatma had nowhere else to go, and it was destroyed.