Oysters and Pearls Updt 16/9 Pg 1 - Page 6

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

JA episodes are like oysters with pearls hidden inside. These pearls are available to those treasure hunters who can discover them through tenacity and persistence. 😊

Abhay illustrated one such pearl (the shloka Jodha recited at Atga's death) in an earlier thread:

HE Questioned "HIS Shadow" BUT Answer Came from SOUL [ https://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4147635] 

- now closed. 

There have been many such instances in the past when JJ have sought comfort and solace in their / the other's faith. For instance, Jalal lit the diya for Kanha when Jodha was battling the spread of poison through her body.

(Side Note: Feel free to share nuggets you may have discovered in JA till date. 😊)

Yesterday's episode had one such special moment. Jodha chose the Prophet Muhammad's grandsons' names for her to-be born babies. This was a heart-warming moment because Jalal was just then telling Ruq that one of the babies must have a Rajput name. It was so enthralling to watch JJ cherish each other's culture and ethos in such a beautiful manner.

Why these names only? Has anyone thought about this?

The names, Hasan and Hussein, are sometimes bestowed on twins. Both names mean beautiful. Hasan and Hussein were destined to be martyrs from the beginning. The Prophet was therefore both sad and happy at their birth and took their care upon himself and tried to protect them from evil. Their mother, Fatima, was a deeply knowledgeable and chaste lady.

If we compare this with JJ's situation, then, the twins were destined to sacrifice their lives for their father. Their mother, Jodha, was also a knowledgeable and chaste lady.

It may be possible that Jodha consciously chose these names for the babies, as a loving gesture of her acceptance of Jalal's faith. It may also be that the thought (of the names) was implanted in her subconscious by a Universal Force.  

It is a belief in some communities that the destinies of a parent and child are sometimes linked together, esp their lifetimes. There is a popular story of how Babur laid down his life to save Humayun. May be the twins took on the danger that was to befall on Jalal upon themselves and died in his stead.

Jalal was mesmerized by Jodha's ability to rise above the mundane and think of evocative things. To him, at that point in time, Allah and his Prophet were of prime significance. When Jodha chose names that were so close to the God he prayed to, he was stunned. By selecting these names, Jodha was declaring her commitment to him and his beliefs in strong terms. Just as Jalal wanted to commit himself to her and her faith by choosing a name from her community for their child.

This is where JJ's love shines through. For a magical moment, I was taken to the world of Della and Jim in Saki's The Gift of the Magi. JJ truly live for each other and cherish anything that is attached to the other in any manner. How beautifully this was shown last night!   

Side Note: 

Though Ruq was also present there, she was as good as being invisible to them, lost as

 they were in their own Blissful Soul World. Try as she might, Ruq may take away their

 children, power, and titles, but she can never enter their private world. There, she will

 always be a stranger, an Outsider peeping in and longing to enter like a vagabond

 looking longingly into a warm, cosy home on a winter's eve, knowing he can never

 actually do so. Ruq may acquire the Importance of being the Mother of the Heir

 Apparent. But the price she would pay for this would be the love, respect, and

 friendship of her husband. Jalal may seemingly be friendly and normal with her. But

 does he seek her company, or her counsel, or attach any importance to her? No.

Edited by JAfanCharu - 9 years ago

Radhika thanks for the PM. a very opt post on Jodha & Jalal and their thought process and how they are compatible with each other. I have no much knowledge of Islamic religion and about the Prophet and his kids. But I have heard and aware of one fact that is being followed in every community is that "to name the child after their deity or on their great ancestor to give respect to them and at the same time to bless that child to be like them, Great and lovable and caring, as a whole to be a good person. even today we follow that, even though we name the child in line with their birth star and also some names, the first name that will be given to the child will be either the Deity's or of the ancestor and will bless the child with longer life and enhance their name and fame.

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Radhika ,

Wonderful post .You are one diver ,who  dives in the sea of JA to find the pearls ,so unlike many of us who crib that something was not good somewhere.Seeing always the good side of everything  is a great quality.Hats off to you and Abhay for having it.

Thanks, Rashmi! It helps to have great friends like you to stay positive. 😊

Your title " oyster and pearl" reminded of an maternity hospital in my hometown ,Pune ,which has the same name.The concept is mother as an oyster ,who protects the pearl inside her that is the baby .Here today ,I want to call Jalal as an oyster who is trying to protect his pearl ,who is in his heart , that is his Jodha.Yes when he protects her ,automatically  he is protecting the babies too which are in her womb.

Matrix reversed 😊 - Now it's Jalal who has ensconced Jodha and their twins within the cocoon of his protection. 

We could see how worried he was for her ,when he saw Resham coming to her room or the surang being found to her room .We can recall the conversation they had when he came to know about her pregnancy.He    was angry with her as she went to war in this condition.He told her that he can't live if something happens to her or the baby.

He knows Jodha's habit of inviting trouble.Her this habit is his main worry.😊For this very reason in the Aatifa track he kept her away from all the trouble.When Khyber kidnapped her ,we could see his condition.The fear he had in his eyes that ,will he loose her?

Why did he decide to send Maham away ? First he doesn't want Jo to get into trouble because of Maham .He doesn't want MA even trying to hurt Jo either mentally or physically.Right now,MA is not in good mental condition.In such scenario,the particular person can hurt somebody physically too,We saw how she flung the thali that hurt Jo.She could have even pushed jo and looking at both's body structure ,this would have been dangerous to Jo.Again MA is continuously coughing.So there is a fear of contagious diseases which are not good for Jo right now.And when Jo takes up something she doesn't sit quiet ,These all are the reasons of Maham being send to Delhi.Look how he is protecting her.😛

I love this Jalal for whom ,his Jo has finally taken precedence .

I too love this Jalal who is more worried than upset with Jodha and understands her inability to stay away from doing good even at great risk to herself and their kids. 😊

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

Radhika I have read your thread before but couldn't reply as I am really sick... I will write about Hassan and Hussain tomorrow but as of now I am copy pasting my thoughts on today's episode which I have written in Maddys thread.. 

When two hearts gets united they do not need

any words to communicate... What one heart

feels is understood by the other without even

uttering a single word... Jalal and Jodha had

time and again showed it.. Jalal knows Jodha

and her big and compationate heart he knows

she can go to any extent to do good for

everybody but in this Maham Anga's case he

may not say it but he very well knows that

whatever she is doing, she is doing for his sake

only... Jalal knows that Jodha is not helping the

woman who cursed their children or who plotted

against her husband or had once tried to

separate her from her beloved... But she is

helping her husbands mother who once risked

everything including her own life to save her

husbands life... Who once ignored her own son

just rare up her husband.. Who made him

capable enough to be a Sahensha... Jalal knows

this time Jodha is not helping some needy but

she is helping the person who was once his Badi

Ammi... And this time she is not helping Maham

Anga but is doing all this for him, his happiness,

and his peace...

And even Jodha knows even though he is angry

and hurt because of Maham Anga but

somewhere in his heart he still loves his Badi

Ammi and Still cares for her... She knows he will

break down the day Maham Anga breaths her

last.. That is why she tried to give some peace

to her in her last days as it will also give some

satisfaction to Jalal that even though not directly

but indirectly He was able to take care of his

mother And if this much satisfaction she can

give her she is ready to do anything for that...

A perfect dance performance needs perfect

blend of music, sur. Raag and taal with perfect

expression, mudra and adawu( step) and in this

most is the perfect synchronisation between taal

and Adawu if even single Adawu doesn't match

with The Taal then The whole dance gets

spoiled... Similarly in a husband wife relationship

love, trust. Faith and understanding are those

quality... And understanding is that match of taal

and Adawu if there is no understanding between

a couple then their relationship does not have a

smooth run. Jalal and Jodha has touched that

perfect synchronisation of understanding and this

is going to take their realtionship in that heaven

of eternal bliss and happiness... Where they will

together dance in both happy as well as sad tune

as provided by their Guru i.e. God...

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

😊Beautiful post Radhika.  

Travelling...will post my views when I get a chance.

Enjoyed reading Abhay's post too.😊

Originally posted by: Chin2_n

Very nice post👍🏼

The character of Ruqs seems a lot like the famous Lady Jessica in Dune book series. 

Edited by abstract2 - 9 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Your title is Amaging, Goes,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ,Who gives you These Beutiful ideas,😆 😆,

JA episodes are like oysters with pearls hidden inside. These pearls are available to those treasure hunters who can discover them through tenacity and persistence. 😊,

Agree, But sometimes, Tenacity, & persistence, Not works, works, Simple, Tenacity, Which we say, in Kabir Language,;;;;;;;Sahahz,  Acceptence.😆😆, 

Abhay illustrated one such pearl (the shloka Jodha recited at Atga's death) in an earlier thread:

HE Questioned "HIS Shadow" BUT Answer Came from SOUL [ https://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4147635] 

- now closed. 

 Agree, That thread was Amaging,  Many post Direct Touch Soul, No need to tenacity & persistence;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Reading coming Mediatation., Reading your this thread feeling same came;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Mediatation.👏 👏 Upset, that thread Closed.😭

There have been many such instances in the past when JJ have sought comfort and solace in their / the other's faith. For instance, Jalal lit the diya for Kanha when Jodha was battling the spread of poison through her body.

Agree, Mostely Makbara Talks, Kali temple Talks, When Akdha are United First time, Physically, That movement +that time, How Stars were Happy, Shaguni Bai+Slaim chisthi Words, When Jodha drank Poision,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Many , So How Couple Changed Two into One;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Oneness Journey Has been started, Outer +inner World. seeing yesterday Episode,( !6 sep, 2014 ), Duty+realtion ship growing Journey, giving eachother space, +respecting Eachother Values, +thoughts;;;;;;;;;;;;;Also been started.👏 👏 👏 👏

(Side Note: Feel free to share nuggets you may have discovered in JA till date. 😊)

Yesterday's episode had one such special moment. Jodha chose the Prophet Muhammad's grandsons' names for her to-be born babies. This was a heart-warming moment because Jalal was just then telling Ruq that one of the babies must have a Rajput name. It was so enthralling to watch JJ cherish each other's culture and ethos in such a beautiful manner

.Here Clearly shows, How Two realgion, Is mixing eachother, & giving  Oneness Message.

Why these names only? Has anyone thought about this?

You are telling,😆 😆

The names, Hasan and Hussein, are sometimes bestowed on twins. Both names mean beautiful. Hasan and Hussein were destined to be martyrs from the beginning. The Prophet was therefore both sad and happy at their birth and took their care upon himself and tried to protect them from evil. Their mother, Fatima, was a deeply knowledgeable and chaste lady.

If we compare this with JJ's situation, then, the twins were destined to sacrifice their lives for their father. Their mother, Jodha, was also a knowledgeable and chaste lady.

It may be possible that Jodha consciously chose these names for the babies, as a loving gesture of her acceptance of Jalal's faith. It may also be that the thought (of the names) was implanted in her subconscious by a Universal Force.  

It is a belief in some communities that the destinies of a parent and child are sometimes linked together, esp their lifetimes. There is a popular story of how Babur laid down his life to save Humayun. May be the twins took on the danger that was to befall on Jalal upon themselves and died in his stead.

Jalal was mesmerized by Jodha's ability to rise above the mundane and think of evocative things. To him, at that point in time, Allah and his Prophet were of prime significance. When Jodha chose names that were so close to the God he prayed to, he was stunned. By selecting these names, Jodha was declaring her commitment to him and his beliefs in strong terms. Just as Jalal wanted to commit himself to her and her faith by choosing a name from her community for their child.

This is where JJ's love shines through. For a magical moment, I was taken to the world of Della and Jim in Saki's The Gift of the Magi. JJ truly live for each other and cherish anything that is attached to the other in any manner. How beautifully this was shown last night!   

How beautifully you, Wrote,👏 👏 👏 👏 Yes agree beautifully shown in lastnight,⭐️ ⭐️

Side Note: 

Though Ruq was also present there, she was as good as being invisible to them, lost as

Ruk mostely lived Outer world, She can't enter their, Peaceful soul world;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because soul world is only for Pure People.😉

 they were in their own Blissful Soul World. Try as she might, Ruq may take away their

 children, power, and titles, but she can never enter their private world. There, she will

 always be a stranger, an Outsider peeping in and longing to enter like a vagabond  

Actually  Ruk type personalites, want to Live That realx, which Only people Get, who does efforts, or Main, Pure, from heart, But they not get Then irritates, they want everthing, Own conditions, somethings Only gets,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;if we have to astemena, Travel unknown World,;;;;;;;;;;Who will Find ,Oysters +Pearls😆 😆,

jin dhunda tin payiya, gahire pani paith;

            mai bauri duban dari, rahi kinare baith.

 

Meaning

 One who wants to get some pearls has to dive deeply into the Ocean.  The Person, who fears drowning, will not get anythig. in the same way, he who, wants God, realization, has to dive, deeply, in meditation, and merge, completely, into God's love..

 

 looking longingly into a warm, cosy home on a winter's eve, knowing he can never

 actually do so. Ruq may acquire the Importance of being the Mother of the Heir

 Apparent. But the price she would pay for this would be the love, respect, and

 friendship of her husband. Jalal may seemingly be friendly and normal with her. But

 does he seek her company, or her counsel, or attach any importance to her? No.

Agree, Ruk wants, everthing, By Suppose Everthing is Selling in Market. Heart realtion, You have to invest, Who invests, They travel, Realax world, Tough world also. But heart concatvity gives strength+inner Beauty,;;;;;;;;;;;;;Which comes only Individual inveastment

second not does, in This Way;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This Way, We have Own travel, Nobody can do for us;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;similer Birth + Death, We Own have to face;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Similer Soul Journey, One to Oneness+ Heartconcatvity, we have to Own travel.

Soul journey Mostely People  ALONE travel, But Akdha greatness 

Two, Individuals, travelled, They

 became, One, & started, Oneness, To

Soulmate journey together, Outer +inner world. Both Compelte, Eachother Core of everycorner,Of Heart, +Mind, +body +soul,👏 👏, Many no space remains.⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ 

Only Who love them they can feel, their Soulmate Journey, because LOVE Has Only Power, to feel their Journey, & Their Love is going deper day by day.👏 👏 👏 👏

Yeh zindagi usiki hai

Jo kisi ka ho gaya
Pyar hi mein kho gaya

Yeh zindagi usiki hai

Dadhak raha hee dil

too Kaya

Dil kee Dadkene Naa Gin

Phir Kaha yee phursate

Phir Kaha yee Rat Din,

Yee Zindgi ussi kee hee 

Joo kissi kaa hoo gaya,

Payar mee hee Khoo gaya.👏 👏

Edited by ayushimehra - 9 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

SHARING MY NUGGET------------

Jalal's expression and tone while addressing Rukkaiyya at Jodha's hojra yesterday, was far from friendly spousal teasing . He is 'QUIETLY' watching her .

Yet again today his expressions ( even though fleeting) clearly revealed shocked disgust and sadness when Rukaiyya badmouthed Mahamanga. 

In spite of keeping her imprisoned , Jalal sitll loves his Badi ammi .

Jodha has already sensed this . This is the only reason for her forgiving Mahamanga .

Very beautiful post,radhika.
I wl post my view later.